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  Watchtower practice of shunning relatives -- when did it begin?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  2. beliefs

  the oldest reference i can find is 2012, as follows:.

  "think of that if you are ever tempted to violate god’s command not to associate with your disfellowshipped relatives.

  " the watchtower 2012, 4/15/ p. 12 par.

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  FatFreek 2005

  You are right, Wild_Thing. I think I found it.

  "The second situation that we need to consider is that involving a disfellowshiped or disassociated relative who is not in the immediate family circle or living at one’s home. Such a person is still related by blood or marriage, and so there may be some limited need to care for necessary family matters. Nonetheless, it is not as if he were living in the same home where contact and conversation could not be avoided. We should keep clearly in mind the Bible’s inspired direction: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person . . . , not even eating with such a man." -- 1 Cor. 5:11. The Watchtower, 1981, 9/15 p. 29 par. 18

  Of course, they got their team of lawyers involved, making sure they didn't cross legal boundaries that would have been impossible to navigate in today's society, "necessary family matters".
  Much like where the GB would love to rewrite Matt: 24:14 where Jesus simply said "this generation". Instead they want us to believe that Jesus simply forgot and left out the modifier "overlapping". A terrible oversight on Jesus' part wasn't it?
  Also the Apostle Paul neglected to add a modifying phrase in the scripture above. Here, the GB rewrite would go like this -- "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person . . . , not even eating with such a man provided he is not in the immediate family circle or living at one’s home. "
  Perhaps, and this is a long shot, both Jesus and Paul knew that the all-wise spirit-directed governing body would pick up the slack in these last days, bailing out those truly inspired writers of old.
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  Watchtower practice of shunning relatives -- when did it begin?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the oldest reference i can find is 2012, as follows:.

  "think of that if you are ever tempted to violate god’s command not to associate with your disfellowshipped relatives.

  " the watchtower 2012, 4/15/ p. 12 par.

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  FatFreek 2005

  The oldest reference I can find is 2012, as follows:

  "Think of that if you are ever tempted to violate God’s command not to associate with your disfellowshipped relatives." The Watchtower 2012, 4/15/ p. 12 par. 17

  Are there any earlier than that?
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  Lucky 8 TV in NY is working on a docu-series. If shunned & have not had contact w/loved ones for 5-years, contact them to tell story on TV

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. beliefs

  lucky 8 tv (http://www.lucky8.tv/about-8/) in new york is currently working on a docu-series for a major cable network that focuses on the issue of family estrangement.. .

  the production company is looking for people in our group (former jw’s) in the united states of all ages who have not had any contact with a loved one in at least 5 years because of shunning.

  if you (or anyone you know) fits this description and would like to share your story, please send an email to production assistant emily torres: [email protected].. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  I responded moments ago.
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  LEGO DUBTOWN - PILLOWGATE

  by Kevin McFree in

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  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/ckexqj26mzs.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Sorry, I wish I could've understood. I did pick up a few phrases and words. Mostly, the Brit accent was a bit too thick for me.
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  New Loophole Created: You can cheat on your spouse without him/her being able to divorce you

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  the new "pillowgate" video exposed a loophole in the witnesses´s thinking, showing how dangerous and stupid legalism is.. this loophole is sure to destroy many people´s lives.. 1) they said that two men masturbating at the same time in front of each other does not constitute "porneia".. 2) "porneia" is the only biblical reason for divorce.. 3) from 1) we can also get two women masturbating in front of each other, or a man and a woman masturbating in front of each other, does not constitute "porneia".4) most people would consider masturbating at the same time with another person to be cheating, and a logical reason for divorce.. so this will lead to many witnesses going to the elders and being told that they cannot divorce this person who clearly cheated on them.

  then, if this person (the "innocent mate") divorces and marries someone else, then that person would be the one possibly disfellowshipped!the implications of the loophole are so stupid and so damaging!i predict another flip-flop.

  "considering things more closely, this is "porneia"... or doubling down on it ("sorry but that is what the biblical limits are") or just fading away into those things that only 1% of jw´s know it´s a rule....

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  FatFreek 2005

  Oh, hi honey. Yes, Things are going well on this trip and sister Smith and I are just crashing after such a busy day with the seminar. My room is quite large, big enough with a conference table where we can spread out our paperwork after hours.

  Yes, she's here with me in my room. Do you want to say hi?
  

  Oh, no, she has no absolutely no plans to spend the night here in my room, you know how the elders would take that.
  

  Yes, I have to confess I'm horny but I'm thinking about you, and what we're going to do when I get home.
  

  Ha! Oh, yes, sis Smith says she's horny too and bro Smith better be ready when she comes through their front door. Isn't that charming?
  

  Yes, we're thinking about trying that out since the governing body says it's not porneia. We figure as long as it's okay with them, and we are both horny -- well, we thought it's worth giving it a try. And, no, we won't be doing any touching, we promise.
  

  No, she doesn't shave down there like you do. I think it looks sexy. Maybe you should give it a try.
  

  No, I told that I haven't touched her and she hasn't touched me since that would be wrong.
  

  Oh, bro Smith is there with you now? Does bro Smith want to talk with sis Smith before we hang up?
  

  Hmmmm ... I don't think I approve that you both are contemplating the same thing.
  

  It is? Well, I thought you once told me that size didn't matter. .....
  
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Perhaps they did talk to her about his alibi, but in all those records, there is no mention of it, and there is nothing in the elder handbook that says they have to.

  Thanks for checking that out.

  The elders wouldn't think about talking to his wife so of course an abusive father would claim his wife told him to check his daughters. He could claim anything he wanted.

  I'm beginning to get a picture of some major failings of this judicial hearing business, and it's not pretty.

  Another thing that I've observed in these writings is transcripted notes. I mean, we wouldn't be reading anything in this set of documents if someone didn't write (or electronically record) it all down. However, are not the folks on trial prohibited from doing the same? If so, more unequal rules as I see it.

  
  
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I was acquainted with a JW yrs. ago who told me her mother examined her older sisters after their dates

  Until exploring this set of documents I never realized such bizarre behavior could possibly have taken place. Is it possible that certain pages of Watchtower encourage parents to do this?
  
  
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Judicial procedures would prevent the mother from being a part of any of the investigation.

  Many years ago I was an elder but was never involved in judicial committee duties. It sounds as if you were. My question to you: why wouldn't the committee want to interview her to see if his alibi, weak as it was, were true?
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thirteen congregations are named within those documents.

  

  1. Palmer, 131 Old Palmer Rd, Brimfield, Ma

  2. Warehouse Point, Ct

  3. West Hartford, Ct

  4. Fort Kent, Me

  5. Machias, Me

  6. Springfield, Ma

  7. Enfield, Ct

  8. W. Springfield, Ma

  9. Windsor Locks, Ct

  10. Houlton, Me

  11. Westfield, Ma

  12. Wales, Ma

  13. Ware, Ma
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Here is the link to the PDF.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hf1FGKLQk0cV7lN2wvAhQLFNxFAnoByq/view?usp=sharing

  Len